HOME
What's New

CPU Cooler
Programs
Introduction
AmnHLT
CpuIdle
Rain 
VCool 2.0 
Waterfall Pro 
Current Tests 
Test Archives

UDMA Driver 
Tests 
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows NT

Way 2 Cool 
Projects 
Compaq 1800T
1800T Temp Monitor
Celeron-A
Going for 504
More on 504
Cheap Sandwich
BX6r2 Diode Fix
Condensation
Lap that Slug
Celeron PPGA
Journey to 1080
Building an NT Box
Heat Pipe 1
Heat Pipe 2
Heat Pipe 2.2
gp_Temp
gp_Temp4
gp_Temp5

Heat Sinks 
Aavid
A&C Prototype Sink
Alpha P125
Alpha P521
CPU Cooler
FullWay
Tom's Sink
Water Cooler 1
Water Cooler 2
Water Cooler 3
Water Cooler 4
*
Water Cooler 6
Water Cooler 7

Way 2 Cool
Thermometer
Thermometer 2
K-6 heat sink
Case Cooling
Heat Sink Tester
More Case Cooling
Klamath heat sink
Q500A Cooling
My Server Temps
Temp Calculators
CKS400 Rack Case
Fan Controller
Cooling Links
Downloads Page

Tips and Trix
Dual Boot Win95 / 98
Dual Boot Linux/NT4
D-B Linux/Win2k
Hot Flash your BIOS

Family Stuff
Prom / St. John
Providenciales

Email Jim


Now that the sink had been assembled up to the cold plate, it was time to work on the insulation for the Celeron.  I figured that with two peltiers, this Celeron was going to get quite a bit colder than the previous set up (if I had only known HOW true that would end up being).  I knew that there was going to be condensation on the SEPP.  To make sure that moisture didn't fry the processor, I coated the Celeron with a polyurethane coating.  When the coating was dry, it was time to start this phase of the assembly.
 
The parts.  The yellow tape holds 
an additional thermister in place.

I started with another piece of exterior insulation used for building houses and laid out a template for cutting.  If you are using a flat cold plate, and I was, the insulation between the cold plate and the Celeron is pretty thin.  This lack of insulation was something I had been wondering about.  Is it better to try to cool the whole SEPP, or just the slug?  Knowing what I do now, I would have changed the cold plate so that there was a raised area to contact the slug of the processor.  But for this prototype, the plate remained flat.
 

The insulation for the area between the SEPP and cold plate 
is put in place.  

To attach the insulation for the SEPP to the piece that surrounded the cold plate, I used some waterproof double sided tape.  I have used this automotive product for holding vapor barriers on doors before, and it works great.  Just don't plan on separating the pieces without ruining them.
 

The first test model of the dual peltier water cooler.

I added another 1/4" piece of insulation in behind the Celeron and attached the fiberglass backing plate.  The whole assembly was held tight with helical springs and brass knurled thumbscrews. (These are visible at the top of the picture above.)  I attached the water hoses, bled the air from the system, and plugged the assembly in to the board.  The dual TECs were powered by a separate power supply from an old AT case.

Within a few minutes of running at 550 MHz, I knew I had a problem.  I hadn't thought about the fact that the thumbscrews and studs were attached directly to the cold plate.  These things were getting cold. Below zero Fahrenheit.  Ice was forming at a rapid rate. After 15 minutes, I had icicles.  Not a good situation.  Back to the workshop.
 

Water Cooler 2 phase 2 - a bit more insulation.

With a razor knife I removed the insulation from the sides of the cooler and replaced it with pieces of 5/8" insulation held in place by silicone sealer.  The studs that held the assembly together were shortened and the knurled thumbscrews were replaced by nylon nuts.  Another 5/8" piece of insulation was placed over the top of the backing plate, again sealed with silicone.  Finally, a cap of more 5/8" insulation was fitted to the top.  The insulation comes with a thin, plastic sheet (it looks like Saran Wrap) covering it.  I made sure that any place there wasn't any of this vapor barrier, I applied a thin coat of silicone sealer to try to make the whole assembly air-tight.  The bottom, where the SEPP fits into the socket is difficult to seal.  There isn't a lot of room to work with and still allow the edge connector fit all of the way into the socket.
 

Rear view.  Is there really a processor in there?

Back to the computer room and hook everything up again.  This time we're looking good (so I thought).  After an hour or so of running, there is no ice to be seen.  Idle temperatures are constantly at -20°F for the internal diode, sometimes going down as low as -25.  The water temperature is running about 2 to 3°F higher than the room temp.  I'm thinking success.
 

A typical temperature at rest.
The pair of 40 mm TECs pulls the heat out well.

Over the course of the next couple of days, I tested the setup.  The best speed I could get from this Celeron was 567 MHz (5.5 X 103).  Increasing the bus speed another 2 MHz to 105 or a total of 578 MHz would stop the processor from even booting into the BIOS screen. I found this a bit strange because it was totally stable at 567.   I even tried letting the slug temperature get down to -30°F before booting.  Same thing, not even a beep from the system.  I doubt that heat played a part in this, as the difference in temperatures between 550 MHz and 567 MHz were not measurable on the equipment I have. I guess that I just hit the maximum speed of this processor.
 

Top speed for this Slot one 366 Celeron.

If you follow my not too frequent updates on the news page, you will have figured out by now that this was the setup that killed my Abit BX6r2.  The story of how it happened brings home the point that just because you can't see it, doesn't mean that it can't hurt you.

I had been working on the computer for most of the day.  Mostly word processing.  Because Word doesn't stress the system much, the temperatures had dropped very low.  Everything was pretty cold.  Even the motherboard around the slot one socket.  I finished up on the work at hand and decided to work on some designs in AutoCad.  AutoCad shuts down Rain as soon as it is started and the temperature of the processor increases accordingly.  Apparently they system had gotten so cold that ice had formed inside the slot one socket.  When the processor warmed up, so did the socket.  Ice became water.

A little later, I decided to take a break for a while and shut the system down.  As they say in the movies, "That was the last time it was ever seen alive."  I got back on the computer a couple hours later to find that I couldn't complete the boot process.  It would just hang at "Verifying DMI Data."  After some initial troubleshooting, I pulled the processor to try another one in its place.  Water literally dripped out of the socket.  To make a long story short, I spent that night and the next day trying everything I could think of to get that board to run again.  No success.

Since that time, I have purchased a new board to replace it - an Asus P3B-F this time.  I've coated the entire board - both sides - in polyurethane, and have placed a 5/8" by 5/8" enclosure of insulation around the slot one socket.  I have also filled the inside of the socket with Permatex dielectric grease.  After about 3 weeks of constant use in all situations, I have yet to see ANY signs of moisture.

As I said at the beginning of this article, I've learned a lot from this last sink.  Though I have now moved on to a PPGA Celeron and an adapter, if I were to refine this cooler another step, here's what I would change.

•Reduce the size of the cold plate and raise the contact area (lower the rest of the plate) so that more insulation can go between the cold plate and the SEPP.  Chilling the entire SEPP does nothing beneficial that I can see and it increases the chance of producing water in the socket. This cold plate was so big, that even with the dual TECs, it took about 5 minutes to chill down before I could start the computer.  Too much mass.

•Make the water cooler out of aluminum.  With the number of water passages I had, cooling the TECs was not a problem.  I am guessing (no, make that I know - as I am already running one) that aluminum will do the job with no problem.  Aluminum is much easier to work with.

•Find a way to make the whole processor enclosure air-tight.  If moist air can be kept out, there will be no way for condensation to form.  Don't laugh, but I've even been considering Tupperware.....

This ends the slot one heat sinks for a while.  If the 366 PPGA I just bought is an indicator, they seem to be easier to get more speed out of.  And for this guy, that's the name of the game.